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Id: 61550
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Broken in: 0.59-withoutworldwriteables
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  Wed Sep 22 02:08:58 2010 PHILKIME [...] cpan.org - Ticket created
Subject: Can't select German variants for sorting?
I hope that this is not a stupid question but is there a way to select the different German variant locales to sort by? There is, for example,a "DIN 5007" variant of German which sorts differently to standard German. If it helps, I have a module which fully implements locale string parsing as per UTS #35.
  Wed Sep 22 10:33:54 2010 bqw10602 [...] nifty.com - Correspondence added
Subject: Re: [rt.cpan.org #61550] Can't select German variants for sorting?
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:33:29 +0900
To: bug-Unicode-Collate [...] rt.cpan.org
From: SADAHIRO Tomoyuki <bqw10602 [...] nifty.com>
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 02:09:00 -0400 "Philip Kime via RT" <bug-Unicode-Collate@rt.cpan.org> wrote: Show quoted text
> I hope that this is not a stupid question but is there a way to select > the different German variant locales to sort by? There is, for example,a > "DIN 5007" variant of German which sorts differently to standard German. > > If it helps, I have a module which fully implements locale string > parsing as per UTS #35.
I found http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetische_Sortierung where states: ! Die DIN 5007-1 beschreibt unter dem Titel „Ordnen ! von Schriftzeichenfolgen (ABC-Regeln)“ das Sortieren. ! DIN 5007 Variante 1 (für Wörter verwendet, etwa in Lexika; ! Abschnitt 6.1.1.4.1) ! ä und a sind gleich ! ö und o sind gleich ! ü und u sind gleich ! ß und ss sind gleich ! DIN 5007 Variante 2 (spezielle Sortierung für Namenslisten, ! etwa in Telefonbüchern; Abschnitt 6.1.1.4.2) ! ä und ae sind gleich ! ö und oe sind gleich ! ü und ue sind gleich ! ß und ss sind gleich It seems Variante 1 is default and Variante 2 is like CLDR's German phonebook locale but the latter is currently broken. (see http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/2833 German collation) Then I'm waiting for the release of CDLR 1.9. (note: the Public Review issue on CDLR 1.9 is open http://www.unicode.org/review/pr-175.html ) SADAHIRO Tomoyuki
  Wed Sep 22 10:33:55 2010 The RT System itself - Status changed from 'new' to 'open'
  Tue Sep 28 06:22:11 2010 PHILKIME [...] cpan.org - Correspondence added
It looks like you implemented Variant 2 in version 0.60 - thank you. Any chance of implementing Variant 1 too? It looks like a very simple variant ... Maybe it's possible also to define aliases for the locales like de__DIN5007-1 de__DIN5007-2 ? Or perhaps use the official CLDR format for locales with variants from http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/#Unicode_Language_and_Locale_Identifiers PK On Wed Sep 22 10:33:54 2010, bqw10602@nifty.com wrote: Show quoted text
> Then I'm waiting for the release of CDLR 1.9. > (note: the Public Review issue on CDLR 1.9 is open > http://www.unicode.org/review/pr-175.html )
  Tue Sep 28 10:37:38 2010 bqw10602 [...] nifty.com - Correspondence added
Subject: Re: [rt.cpan.org #61550] Can't select German variants for sorting?
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:37:00 +0900
To: bug-Unicode-Collate [...] rt.cpan.org
From: SADAHIRO Tomoyuki <bqw10602 [...] nifty.com>
As shown in below, http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/SADAHIRO/Unicode-Collate-0.60/t/loc_de.t Unicode::Collate::Locale->new(locale => 'DE') should do it, as an alias for default (no tailoring, only according to DUCET). Apparently there is no difference between that the language needs no tailoring and that tailoring for the language is not supported. SADAHIRO Show quoted text
> Queue: Unicode-Collate > Ticket <URL: https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=61550 > > > It looks like you implemented Variant 2 in version 0.60 - thank you. Any > chance of implementing Variant 1 too? It looks like a very simple > variant ... > > Maybe it's possible also to define aliases for the locales like > de__DIN5007-1 > de__DIN5007-2 > > ? Or perhaps use the official CLDR format for locales with variants from > > http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr35/#Unicode_Language_and_Locale_Identifiers > > PK > > On Wed Sep 22 10:33:54 2010, bqw10602@nifty.com wrote: >
> > Then I'm waiting for the release of CDLR 1.9. > > (note: the Public Review issue on CDLR 1.9 is open > > http://www.unicode.org/review/pr-175.html )
  Wed Sep 29 10:46:49 2010 PHILKIME [...] cpan.org - Correspondence added
I see, "level =>1" should do this because DIN5007-1 is basically "no diacritics". However, I think that without a special tailoring, there is a problem because then it is impossible to do case- sensitive sorting with DIN5007-1 as this would need "level => 3"?
  Sat Nov 20 09:33:37 2010 PHILKIME [...] cpan.org - Status changed from 'open' to 'resolved'